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Dr. Carl Elliott

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This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

And so I got in touch with Mary Weiss, Dan Markinson's mom.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

She was not happy to hear from me, obviously.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

She had a lot of suspicions of the university.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

She agreed to talk to me, and then after we talked, she agreed to let me have access to everything I wanted, court records, medical records, Dan's diaries, anything that would be useful.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

And so I wound up writing about it in a sort of larger backdrop to it, which was a sort of scandal about research integrity involving the sponsor of the study, AstraZeneca.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

And eventually wrote about it in Mother Jones magazine, sort of hoping that having exposure in a national publication would shame the university into acting.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

But that, again, was a complete failure.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

I mean, it really accomplished nothing at all except to make the entire academic health center very angry with me.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

Kurt Vonnegut described the man in the hole story as somebody gets into trouble and gets out again.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

And he said, you know, we love this story.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

The Wizard of Oz, Dorothy kills the Wicked Witch and returns to Kansas.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

The prodigal son, Robinson Crusoe, David and Goliath.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

The reason we like these stories is that they sort of reassure us that the world has a kind of moral sense to it, that the universe is a fair and just place.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

And if you watch, you know, whistleblower movies or TV shows about whistleblowers, they usually follow some version of that men and all story.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

The whistleblower takes down the corrupt organization.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

What I found when I started looking deeper into these stories, actual whistleblower stories, is that they usually don't follow that sort of narrative arc.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

I mean, they usually don't have happy endings.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

And the whistleblowers themselves usually come out of the experience with these sort of very deep moral wounds.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

It's almost as if it's a kind of existential disorientation because everything that they thought about how the world works is upended.

This Podcast Will Kill You
Special Episode: Dr. Carl Elliott & The Occasional Human Sacrifice

I mean, they just assume, everybody just assumes, if they've gotten to the point where they feel like there's nothing else to do, they assume that the rest of the world is going to be as morally outraged by what they have found and what they're trying to reveal as they were when they found it out.