Dr. Carol Swain

Carol, welcome back to the show. Great to see you. It is great to see you, too. And I understand you were at the Super Bowl. Yes. I was rooting for your Eagles.

Carol, welcome back to the show. Great to see you. It is great to see you, too. And I understand you were at the Super Bowl. Yes. I was rooting for your Eagles.

Carol, welcome back to the show. Great to see you. It is great to see you, too. And I understand you were at the Super Bowl. Yes. I was rooting for your Eagles.

Yes. And before I was at Vanderbilt, I was tenured at Princeton, early tenure. And my prize winning first book, Black Faces, Black Interests, the Representation of African-Americans in Congress, was the book that was plagiarized. And I found out, along with the rest of the world, on December 10th,

Yes. And before I was at Vanderbilt, I was tenured at Princeton, early tenure. And my prize winning first book, Black Faces, Black Interests, the Representation of African-Americans in Congress, was the book that was plagiarized. And I found out, along with the rest of the world, on December 10th,

Yes. And before I was at Vanderbilt, I was tenured at Princeton, early tenure. And my prize winning first book, Black Faces, Black Interests, the Representation of African-Americans in Congress, was the book that was plagiarized. And I found out, along with the rest of the world, on December 10th,

2023, when Dr. Art Laffer gave me a phone call and asked if I had heard that the president of Harvard University had been accused of plagiarizing her dissertation. And then he said, guess who she plagiarized? You. And so he referred me to Christopher Ruffo's a X page Twitter. And I went there, I saw the article and then I started getting phone calls and I read the work. First, I was shocked.

2023, when Dr. Art Laffer gave me a phone call and asked if I had heard that the president of Harvard University had been accused of plagiarizing her dissertation. And then he said, guess who she plagiarized? You. And so he referred me to Christopher Ruffo's a X page Twitter. And I went there, I saw the article and then I started getting phone calls and I read the work. First, I was shocked.

2023, when Dr. Art Laffer gave me a phone call and asked if I had heard that the president of Harvard University had been accused of plagiarizing her dissertation. And then he said, guess who she plagiarized? You. And so he referred me to Christopher Ruffo's a X page Twitter. And I went there, I saw the article and then I started getting phone calls and I read the work. First, I was shocked.

It happened 26 years earlier. Then I was deeply sad because she's a Black woman, I'm a Black woman, and I didn't think it was a good look for Black women. And then that sort of morphed into anger, which is not something that I usually engage in. When Harvard came out and said that it wasn't plagiarism, it was duplicative language without attribution. Right. And how did you feel about that?

It happened 26 years earlier. Then I was deeply sad because she's a Black woman, I'm a Black woman, and I didn't think it was a good look for Black women. And then that sort of morphed into anger, which is not something that I usually engage in. When Harvard came out and said that it wasn't plagiarism, it was duplicative language without attribution. Right. And how did you feel about that?

It happened 26 years earlier. Then I was deeply sad because she's a Black woman, I'm a Black woman, and I didn't think it was a good look for Black women. And then that sort of morphed into anger, which is not something that I usually engage in. When Harvard came out and said that it wasn't plagiarism, it was duplicative language without attribution. Right. And how did you feel about that?

I was angry. And that anger, again, it's not good to be angry. And I gave, I believe, 80 some interviews between December 10th and the middle of January. But I calmed myself down for Christmas. This happened December 10th. I'm angry, angry, angry, but I want to have a good Christmas.

I was angry. And that anger, again, it's not good to be angry. And I gave, I believe, 80 some interviews between December 10th and the middle of January. But I calmed myself down for Christmas. This happened December 10th. I'm angry, angry, angry, but I want to have a good Christmas.

I was angry. And that anger, again, it's not good to be angry. And I gave, I believe, 80 some interviews between December 10th and the middle of January. But I calmed myself down for Christmas. This happened December 10th. I'm angry, angry, angry, but I want to have a good Christmas.

I'm a Christian, calmed myself down, started posting scriptures on X, which I still do, because it was consuming me in a way that was not healthy. But January 2nd, Claudine Gay resigned. She has a letter, I believe, in the New York Times, and she blames racism. And when she blamed racism, then I'm angry all over again. And I called an attorney who had offered to take the case pro bono.

I'm a Christian, calmed myself down, started posting scriptures on X, which I still do, because it was consuming me in a way that was not healthy. But January 2nd, Claudine Gay resigned. She has a letter, I believe, in the New York Times, and she blames racism. And when she blamed racism, then I'm angry all over again. And I called an attorney who had offered to take the case pro bono.

I'm a Christian, calmed myself down, started posting scriptures on X, which I still do, because it was consuming me in a way that was not healthy. But January 2nd, Claudine Gay resigned. She has a letter, I believe, in the New York Times, and she blames racism. And when she blamed racism, then I'm angry all over again. And I called an attorney who had offered to take the case pro bono.

And I told him to pursue it. And so it was an attorney from Austin. And then later I moved from him to a paid legal team. And doing all of this, Claudine Gay never reached out to me. I had heard of her while I was at Princeton. I was a hot shot when I was hired and I got early tenure, got it in three years. First book, three national prizes. It's been cited by the US Supreme Court. Thank you.

And I told him to pursue it. And so it was an attorney from Austin. And then later I moved from him to a paid legal team. And doing all of this, Claudine Gay never reached out to me. I had heard of her while I was at Princeton. I was a hot shot when I was hired and I got early tenure, got it in three years. First book, three national prizes. It's been cited by the US Supreme Court. Thank you.