Dr. Ciara Kelly

I think it is harder to navigate this one because I think we sort of have roadmaps for getting over relationships, but we don't have roadmaps for getting over friendships.

Or you want to move on or you want to... But you also have something to say.

You say to your family and friends, oh, we broke up.

But you don't say, I broke up with Jenny or you broke up with Bill.

Do you know what I mean?

Because you don't know how to... That's a great point.

You don't know how to say that.

And you haven't seen him in 15 years.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's very interesting, isn't it?

I know, I know.

I've seen it as well and I've seen it in female friendships

And they often end badly.

Like, if they end, there can be real women scorned kind of stuff and not great.

But I've also seen it in male friendships.

You're quite right about friendship groups.

Very... They mess up the dynamic entirely then.

But I've also seen it.

And...

I'm thinking of a particular instance, but the person who, and it was like the Banshees of Inner Sheeran, kind of the guillotine came down for one half of this friendship who said, I just don't want to be friends anymore kind of thing for their own reasons, obviously.