Dr. Ciara Kelly

But I think there are degrees in the middle.

And that would be borne out if you see people in prison populations who are straight on the outside who are having sex, you know, gay sex on the inside.

So we have an ability to be fluid and flexible in all of it.

And why not?

I think heterosexuality has been, I suppose...

touted as the best thing because it's to do with raising children and family units and all of that kind of stuff and societal stability and other sort of spectrum sexualities have been seen as somehow deviating from that.

But I totally agree with you.

I think human sexual expression is much more complex, nuanced, flexible and fluid.

But they say, say for even women, what they're attracted to at different times of the month changes.

The physicality of their, if they are attracted to men, what they're attracted to around the time of ovulation is different to what they're attracted to later on.

So, so,

These things are both dictated by our hormones, but also dictated by our, I probably think our genetics, but also are dictated by our... Social construction as well.

And our desires and our wants and our predilections and our heads to some extent too.

It means kind of lame or pathetic.

Oh, that's so gay.

But it is, you see.

But if you're gay, you hear it as a homophobic story.

Exactly.

It's funny you said about school because there was 150 in my year in school.

where I grew up in Greystones.