Dr. Ciara Kelly

It's funny, I always find guilt a bit useless.

After the fact.

I think you can recognize what you've done and say sorry and do all of those things which are corrective.

But I don't know about guilt.

I do think a helpful thing for people to do if they are carrying this...

is look around you, look around the world and look around at all the gay people you know who are out and no one is hating on them, no one is insulting them, no one is thinking less of them and they're just living their lives happily.

And you could do that too.

Because like, there's gay people everywhere you look.

Do you know what I mean?

Like in your office, in your friend group, like the world is different.

We're lucky enough to live in a bit of the world where it is different.

And I think that's a good thing to remember too.

Look around you.

If you're scared to say it,

P.D.

Savage when I was talking to him Who the hell is P.D.

Because I interviewed him during the weekend because he's a young gay man and he was talking about prejudice As P.D.

Woodhouse P.J.

But in any case

What he did say was he said he thought that, you know, he said he was avoiding, there's a point to this.