Dr. Ciara Kelly

It could be anything, exactly.

But the reason they have those is because people will stop and look to see, oh, is that a bit of sex?

I don't know.

But I guess at the end of the day, it's because we're little animals, isn't it?

We're like little animals and we're here to eat and have sex and procreate and, you know,

Yeah, it's a very difficult situation.

And I think that also holds people back from being their authentic self because they think this.

They think, but if I... Because people, if they are in the closet, will have lived their life as if they're in the closet.

So they will have other relationships, like they may have marriages or they'll have heterosexual relations.

They could have children.

and they will have a bunch of friends and family and colleagues who all see them as one thing, that they're not, they're something else, even though, as we all say, it doesn't make any odds.

But coming out

upsets all of those dynamics.

I don't mean upset, I mean disrupts all of those.

Those dynamics.

So it disrupts the dynamic with maybe a partner, a wife or a husband, I suppose.

It disrupts the dynamic with their children because their children have to kind of recalibrate in their minds a little bit.

As you say, it shouldn't make any difference.

And I can say hand on heart, it made no difference to me in terms of my daughter.

And actually,