Dr. Cliff Redford

Well, like you can see some pretty amazing footage, VR, like all that stuff should get rid of zoos in the next decade or so.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But again, it's not the same though, right?

You're like, Oh, that's not a real monkey.

Even if it looks real, you know, that's not a real monkey.

So it's not as fascinating.

No, we don't, we don't, uh, we don't, we don't appreciate that quite to the same extent.

Um, and I mean, Hollywood and TV, they don't want to upset, uh,

even if it's a small percentage of people that might get upset with that.

But the thing that sort of interests me about this Kiko case is I spoke to a friend of mine who used to work at the zoo.

And when we talked about this, and this is before we knew exactly what happened.

We just knew that it had something to do with the door.

She said, oh, yeah, they have these giant automatic doors and they close too slowly, right?

And so even, you know, the last decade, they would say, we got to watch out when you close it.

We got to make sure the drafts are far enough away because they may all of a sudden to try and make a run for it.

And they want to go back into the original room and they can get trapped.

So there was not the safety.

I think I'm guessing there's not the safety mechanism in place that when you close

get close to it, it stops.