Dr. Dave Rabin
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started to recognize through the training and the work I was doing and the work that many other great scientists in the psychedelic space had done on humans and animals is that the way MDMA works, if you really break it down in the simplest explanation, is that
started to recognize through the training and the work I was doing and the work that many other great scientists in the psychedelic space had done on humans and animals is that the way MDMA works, if you really break it down in the simplest explanation, is that
When you, you build a, you build a trusting relationship with your therapist and you learn what it feels like to trust again and to trust in your therapist and then to trust in yourself. You just get that as a, that's the foundation of all psychotherapy and all medical treatment is just building a trusting relationship with your doctor or your therapist. That's where it all starts.
When you, you build a, you build a trusting relationship with your therapist and you learn what it feels like to trust again and to trust in your therapist and then to trust in yourself. You just get that as a, that's the foundation of all psychotherapy and all medical treatment is just building a trusting relationship with your doctor or your therapist. That's where it all starts.
So we build a trusting relationship with the, with the, uh, with the patient. The patient remembers what it feels like to feel safe enough to trust. And they remember that feeling. Then you sprinkle in the MDMA in a six to eight hour therapy session. And the MDMA is like throwing rocket fuel on the cascades, the neural cascades in the brain that are involved in safety learning.
So we build a trusting relationship with the, with the, uh, with the patient. The patient remembers what it feels like to feel safe enough to trust. And they remember that feeling. Then you sprinkle in the MDMA in a six to eight hour therapy session. And the MDMA is like throwing rocket fuel on the cascades, the neural cascades in the brain that are involved in safety learning.
And that amplifies or catalyzes these feelings of safety that help a patient, even the most severe patients, feel safe enough in that moment to go back in time into the past and remake meaning around past traumatic events. So safety is really the key. And that's how regular therapy works. Regular therapy is just about feeling safe enough to remake meaning. And so MDMA just makes that easier.
And that amplifies or catalyzes these feelings of safety that help a patient, even the most severe patients, feel safe enough in that moment to go back in time into the past and remake meaning around past traumatic events. So safety is really the key. And that's how regular therapy works. Regular therapy is just about feeling safe enough to remake meaning. And so MDMA just makes that easier.
It just makes it easier for us to bring people back there and to accelerate that process that could take 10 or 20 years for people to do without MDMA. We can do it in 12 weeks with three doses of MDMA. So that's really how it's working. And so as I started to be doing this research and get my own training in this area, I realized this key word safety keeps popping up.
It just makes it easier for us to bring people back there and to accelerate that process that could take 10 or 20 years for people to do without MDMA. We can do it in 12 weeks with three doses of MDMA. So that's really how it's working. And so as I started to be doing this research and get my own training in this area, I realized this key word safety keeps popping up.
Why is this popping up everywhere? And I realized that it's because when we feel safe, our vagus nerve gets activated and our recovery nervous system starts to get resources again. So then I thought, well, maybe because MDMA, this is back in 2016, I had this light bulb go off. I thought, well, it's going to be like eight to 10 years before MDMA becomes legal.
Why is this popping up everywhere? And I realized that it's because when we feel safe, our vagus nerve gets activated and our recovery nervous system starts to get resources again. So then I thought, well, maybe because MDMA, this is back in 2016, I had this light bulb go off. I thought, well, it's going to be like eight to 10 years before MDMA becomes legal.
So what if we had technology that could give us some of the benefits of MDMA, the safety from MDMA without having to take MDMA? novel concept, right? Nobody had really thought about that before.
So what if we had technology that could give us some of the benefits of MDMA, the safety from MDMA without having to take MDMA? novel concept, right? Nobody had really thought about that before.
So as I mapped out the neural pathways of what MDMA was doing and what soothing touch was doing and soothing music and the smell of your favorite food your mom makes and like all these things that make us feel safe, I started to realize they're activating the same vagus nerve pathway.
So as I mapped out the neural pathways of what MDMA was doing and what soothing touch was doing and soothing music and the smell of your favorite food your mom makes and like all these things that make us feel safe, I started to realize they're activating the same vagus nerve pathway.
So we went back to the lab at the University of Pittsburgh, and then we were able to design sound waves that are very low frequency, like bass sound waves that come out of your subwoofer that are, you can't even hear, but they're very, you can feel them on your body. I'm wearing it on my chest right now. You're wearing it on your wrist. It doesn't matter where you wear it.
So we went back to the lab at the University of Pittsburgh, and then we were able to design sound waves that are very low frequency, like bass sound waves that come out of your subwoofer that are, you can't even hear, but they're very, you can feel them on your body. I'm wearing it on my chest right now. You're wearing it on your wrist. It doesn't matter where you wear it.
And you can also get it through your phone. So anybody who's interested can feel Apollo right now by just downloading the Apollo Neuro app on your iPhone and just feeling the vibrations and what we're talking about. But this is unlike any vibration you've ever felt come out of your phone before because it's a slow wave of vibration that's tuned to your body.
And you can also get it through your phone. So anybody who's interested can feel Apollo right now by just downloading the Apollo Neuro app on your iPhone and just feeling the vibrations and what we're talking about. But this is unlike any vibration you've ever felt come out of your phone before because it's a slow wave of vibration that's tuned to your body.