Dr. David Bashwiner

Okay, people do write about this.

Okay.

And then.

You can bust this flim flam if need be.

It's not.

I mean, I'm going to give you an answer.

So like what a human is, is really like, it's both the thing that we think of as a human, but also something that is like shared with chimpanzee.

Like we have 99% of our same genes with chimpanzees.

Like you can look at what chimpanzees do vocally.

And they do do gestures, like you're saying.

They're not using vocal gestures as much, but there's something weird about the great apes and not vocalizing.

So if you go back a little bit further to say, like, Gibbons are our next ancestor and all of them are singers.

So great apes, gorillas, orangutans, chimpanzees, they make noise and sometimes they do those displays that they're trying to purposely make a lot of noise and they shake things and it's almost like a dance.

Sometimes they do drumming.

So they'll use noise, but they're really communicative with gesture and they're able to learn sign language and stuff like that, but they just don't do it as much vocally.

And that has to do something with animals that live on the ground as opposed to in the trees.

That's something that comes from Joseph Jordania, who's like an ethnomusicologist.

Brilliant, brilliant guy that talks about relationship of music to how we would have had to evade or scare away big cats.

And he actually compares us to skunks.

So like with the whales, there's the two different kinds.