Dr. David Fajgenbaum

They did a clinical trial and it works.

So like I'm going to do that.

So in my opinion, it's not about breaking down the system.

It's about enabling the system to do exactly what it's trying to do.

but that we're caught up in these assumptions that I think we have around what we know and what we don't know.

And I think we're really, we're certain, we're very good at what we know.

Like I totally, I believe everything we know in the system is rock solid.

I think we're just not as good at understanding what we know to be not the case versus what we just don't know at all.

Like the amount of our, and actually there's a term for it that the computer scientists use, and that's the ignorome.

which is basically the things we don't know about medicine.

Like the ignoram, I think, is a lot bigger than most of us in medicine want to appreciate.

And I think if we can be a part of uncovering the ignoram and making it less ignoramus or whatever it is, then I think that that's where we can serve medicine, doctors, patients, and not to try to break it down.

And it's really about lifting things up.

So I actually think that during this discussion, I think you've actually sort of opened my eyes a little bit just because you sort of like highlighted to me, I just told you the three most special months of my life were the last three months of my mom's life and we weren't fighting for a treatment.

Yet I just try to extend other people's lives with the drugs we already have in my own.

And so I think everything is context dependent.

And I mean if – I think that what he said is conceptually correct.

But I think that when you feel it, when you experience it, especially when you experience like the positive side when you do make it –

It creates a new sort of value that you put on if you do get extra time.

But of course, at the end of the day, this is like philosophical around like individual versus collective societal.