Dr. David Spiegel

They could, right.

That hypnosis might adjust, but wouldn't deal with the deeper underlying issue.

That's right.

And typically when I use it with people, I often only see them once or twice or periodically, but not every week.

And certainly not every day if they have a pain problem.

And hypnosis is very helpful for pain.

And so...

What I'm doing is identifying how hypnotizable they are.

I give them a standard brief test of their ability to experience hypnosis and then going through a self-hypnosis exercise with them to deal with the problem, seeing how they respond to it, and then teaching them how to do it for themselves.

Now we've developed an app, Reverie, that can teach people and step them through dealing with pain, stress, focus, insomnia, and help people eat better and stop smoking.

And we have elements that take about 15 minutes and elements that just take one or two minutes that people can refresh and reinforce.

Yes, yes.

And we're finding that two-thirds of the people find that even just the one-minute refresher

It helps them feel better.

They're reporting they feel better.

So the nice thing is you will know very quickly whether it's likely to help you or not.

And if it is, you can learn to do it for yourself.

Sometimes.

There are some very obsessional people who just turn out not to be that hypnotizable.

And it's not random.