Dr. Debra Soh

The shocking part was when they brought the jurors in, Megan, like you said, and they told their stories.

And the retired judge that they brought back in for that to make the decision, not the trial judge, said, ah, no problem.

Because they didn't want to do it again.

They didn't want to do the trial again.

Yeah, that's problematically just a fact.

Like, from my perspective, looking, you know, covering our system of justice every day for decades now.

Like a bright line.

Don't talk to the jury about anything other than just logistics.

Yes.

And the problem here is like she's like part of the court and her perception in that courtroom was she was kind of like the judge's right hand, you know, gal or whatever in terms of running things.

So what she says is going to have much more influence than if it was just some rando of

um outside or if she over or if someone overheard one of us from the media speaking really loudly in front of the courthouse like i was doing like her influence is much greater because she's seen as part of the system and closely tied to the judge and you know how jurors are with judges like that's who they look to like the judge is the one guiding them through the system and if this is someone who's kind of in with the judge and is telling us to do something well i guess we should do it

Yeah.

No, never, never, ever, ever.

And in most of the cases we cover, the clerk doesn't even have any sort of role in the case.

There's a bailiff.

No, the bailiff will bring the jury back and forth, and that's it.

There's like one person usually.

Here, again, it's about the moment.

You have to understand how small this town is, Megan.