Dr. Donald Layman

around 0.8, and uniformly, the higher ones were always better.

Once in a while, there wasn't a statistical difference, but out of all of the studies we ever looked at, we never found a single one where the 0.8 was better on any outcome, whether it was things like inflammation and glutathione peroxidase or whether it's body composition or anything else.

There's no studies that ever say that's a better choice.

Yeah, I mean, my perspective on all of this is that I think what we want to do is empower consumers to make their personal choices.

And unfortunately, the guidelines haven't really allowed that.

Back to the original food guide pyramid, it's one size fits all.

You do what we say and you're going to be healthier.

And obviously, that was a miserable failure.

We've got epidemics of obesity and diabetes.

Heart disease really hasn't changed.

We have 40 million people on statin drugs now.

There's nothing about the guidelines that have worked.

And so I think it's time to empower people to look at the science.

We've tried to give them the science to think about, and they can then make their own decisions.

And for me, what I look at and think about, what's the guideline that restricts animal products to a 10-year-old in school lunch?

What's the logic behind that?

Absolutely.

These guidelines dictate school lunch.

And so they had to restrict animal products in it to make sure they met that 10% saturated fat.

And so they were getting high carbohydrate, low protein meals and with a lot of, you know, refined foods on top of it.