Dr. Ed Barnhart

Because that's so interesting because when you do – I've never done ayahuasca, but I've done DMT. And when you do DMT, it's almost like it's experiencing death in a way where your soul kind of like leaves your body and you leave like the material world behind. That's their interpretation that they are entering the world where the dead reside. Like they want to – I'm not talking about sacrifice.

Are you talking about sacrificing? No, no. I'm talking about getting to the edge. Getting to the edge, right. Getting to the edge of death, but not going all the way.

Are you talking about sacrificing? No, no. I'm talking about getting to the edge. Getting to the edge, right. Getting to the edge of death, but not going all the way.

Are you talking about sacrificing? No, no. I'm talking about getting to the edge. Getting to the edge, right. Getting to the edge of death, but not going all the way.

Right. What sort of – so they would starve themselves and then cut themselves so they would bleed out, almost bleed out fully, and then they would experience these things? Were there any rituals involved? Was this like a ritual thing? Oh, yeah.

Right. What sort of – so they would starve themselves and then cut themselves so they would bleed out, almost bleed out fully, and then they would experience these things? Were there any rituals involved? Was this like a ritual thing? Oh, yeah.

Right. What sort of – so they would starve themselves and then cut themselves so they would bleed out, almost bleed out fully, and then they would experience these things? Were there any rituals involved? Was this like a ritual thing? Oh, yeah.

And how do you know specifically they were doing this thing by cutting their dicks and dancing around?

And how do you know specifically they were doing this thing by cutting their dicks and dancing around?

And how do you know specifically they were doing this thing by cutting their dicks and dancing around?

Yeah, exactly. It's got to be perfect. You have to plan it out, right?

Yeah, exactly. It's got to be perfect. You have to plan it out, right?

Yeah, exactly. It's got to be perfect. You have to plan it out, right?

That's a jaguar penis?

That's a jaguar penis?

That's a jaguar penis?

And this is Mayan again, correct?

And this is Mayan again, correct?

And this is Mayan again, correct?

Oh, yeah. Wow.