Dr. Elizabeth Lundén

Dress.

I think that moment is amazing.

It's a snapshot of everything that is right.

And then if you think about this question you're asking about the staging of what is outside, if we go back to the beginning of our conversation, a lot of what is happening outside is what was happening inside before.

That runway that they had in the beginning where society women would pay a little bit of money so they could just step into the runway with models is now outside.

Now it's celebrities that are trying to be a part of it and show off.

And then the photographer's row is now the paparazzi that are aligned in the sides of those steps taking the pictures.

So a little bit, it's almost like they have taken a little bit of this event for the public.

What can we let them see?

I don't think so.

I think what Diana Breland did many times goes undiscussed.

It's something that is a myth of the past because everyone wants to take credit about the grandeur of the Met Gala.

I don't think they would have found the same path to spectacle.

Well, Irene had one goal.

She wanted to have costume considered as art and fashion considered as art.

And that, it has happened.

But what I think that she never saw coming was that this would be happening in one of the biggest museums of the world.

I don't think she could imagine the extent to which this would grow.

I think world history in terms of costume and dress.

would have been lost to an extent that I don't think people understand today.