Dr Emily Musgrove

Yeah.

I think that's a great catch in there.

Yeah.

This is not necessarily about outcome, but it's kind of how we keep going.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think what, what,

bears mentioning in what you've just said, Josh, is also that when we hold really tightly to an identity, like, I don't know, being a writer, for example, if I hold so tightly to that as my identity and if my books don't sell, then what happens to my sense of self-worth in there?

So we want to kind of hold these identities really kind of loosely, right?

There's a great analogy about the notion of self-concept as being a house with many rooms.

And if we have, I think it might be Brad Stahlberg, who's a researcher that talks about this, that if I place all of my furniture and I live only in one room,

if that room catches fire, I have nothing else, right?

So there will be times when we're pursuing excellence where we might have a lot of our energy, a lot of our time spent in that room, but we also spend time in the other rooms as well.

Because if this one burns down, I've still got other parts over here that are really important to me that tell me I'm worthwhile, that feel engaging.

So it's like at times, again, when we pursue excellence, we're going to have more eggs in that basket, but at least we've got other eggs in the other ones.

Yes.

Yeah.

Because the more strongly we hold on to one self-concept, the more dangerous that is for long-term well-being.

Thank you so much.

Yeah.