Dr. Eric Haseltine

I mean, there's just too many independent parallel sensors on that thing by people who didn't want to see it, but saw it anyhow.

And so those in particular, and so that's why in our book, The Shadow of Time, the novel, that's why the Tic Tacs show up because those in particular, we come up with a narrative of what could really be going on there.

Tell us more.

Love it when you talk dirty.

Well, OK, I know how capacitors work.

I know how dielectrics work.

And so in what way could this be used for propulsion?

Oh, there have been things like the EM drive.

Yeah, it keeps getting debunked, but people keep throwing money at it anyhow.

Yeah, and I think this thing you're talking about has that quality because conservation of energy says that can't happen.

Or Newton's law where you have to have a reaction mass in order to get thrust.

In other words, you have to throw mass or energy out the back in order to move in a particular direction.

Well, there's something interesting where there's this effect where if you take two plates, kind of like a capacitor, and they're very, very flat and very, very close together because of quantum field.

you will get the plates moving with respect to each other a tiny amount.

And this has been observed in the laboratory.

The Casimir effect, exactly.

But that only works in one direction.

Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, it's one of these weird quantum things.

that is moving in the direction you're saying, because, okay, the thing we're attracted to each other, but what was the force?