Dr. Eric Haseltine

And you see that is a fascinating subject of fractals and how the veins of a tree or capillaries in your body or filaments of megastructures in outer space all look the same, the highest level down to the lowest level.

And it's the path of least resistance.

That's why those structures exist, because if you're trying to move atoms of water from A to B in the most efficient path with the least energy, that is the path.

These mathematical things like Fibonacci and fractals and holography and things like that, where math isn't a property of the universe, doesn't describe the universe.

It is the universe.

Right.

I mean, but now you're getting into Wolfram philosophical kind of stuff.

And that's, that's above my pay grade.

Me too.

Well, what was our motivation?

I think that's very important for the readers to understand.

We finished The New Science of UFOs, which was a kind of intellectual exercise in the art of the possible and not impossible.

And what we wanted to do is basically tell that same story in a way that would be more accessible to people and to...

tell it from the point of view of interesting people and characters who had problems in their lives and make the science part of the story so that it became clues.

And so as scientists, we will tell you that there's nothing more exciting than embarking on a scientific journey of discovery, solving a mystery.

and peeling back the onion one layer at a time and seeing something new and unexpected beneath, which only takes you deeper and deeper and deeper.

So in addition to exploring the science of UFOs, we wanted to give the readers the feeling of what it's like to go on a journey of scientific discovery.

And so one thing that happens in this book, you might remember, especially at the end, is there's a bunch of twists and turns like switchbacks up Mount Everest.

Right.

It's like it's kind of like a whiplash, like, oh, that's true.