Dr. Eric Haseltine

And then again, when you look at the future, right?

And then you say, well, what about the present?

There's some obvious mundane things like, okay, the Chinese or the Russians have cool stuff we don't understand, which is true.

They do.

But there are other more exotic, really exotic, like the multi-worlds hypothesis that there are parallel quantum realms that are splitting off all the time.

And in some of those, could there be some weird things happening?

That one gets a little dicey, I think.

But I think that the more important thing is to

Break out of the chains of expectation and what we know.

And just be humble and say, there's so much we don't know.

Don't ever rule out something unless you have really hard laboratory proof.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I think the, uh, the main point we want to make is that, uh, when we want to study something, the first thing you study is the thing that self is studying it, meaning us.

to look at that instrument and be very clear about its limitations and its strengths so that you are more tempered in the conclusions that you reach.

If you say, this instrument isn't seeing something, can be interpreted as the thing isn't there or the instrument can't see it.

And there's too little of that kind of thinking.

And I'll just give you an example.

Hawking radiation.

Hawking radiation, we believe, is due to particle-antiparticle pairs popping out of the void, whatever that is, kind of the vacuum quantum field that's seething with energy.