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Dr. Erich Jarvis

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250 total appearances

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Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

Some have argued, and I would agree based upon what we've seen,

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

is that there is an evolutionary relationship between the brain pathways that control speech production and gesturing.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

And the brain regions I mentioned are directly adjacent to each other.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

And why is that?

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

I think that the brain pathways that control speech evolved out of the brain pathways that control body movement.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

And that when you talk about Italian, French, English, and so forth, each one of those languages come with a learned set of gestures that you can communicate with.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

Now, how is that related to other animals?

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

Well, Coco, a gorilla who is raised with humans for 39 years or more, learned how to do gesture.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

communication, learn how to sign language, so to speak, right?

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

But Coco couldn't produce those sounds.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

Coco could understand them as well,

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

by seeing somebody sign or hearing somebody produce speech, but Coco couldn't produce it with her voice.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

And so what's going on there is that a number of species, not all of them, a number of species have motor pathways in the brain where you can do learn gesturing, rudimentary language if you want and say with your lens, even if it's not as advanced as humans, but they don't have this extra brain pathway for the sound.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

So they can't gesture with their voice in the way that they gesture with their hands.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

No, it's not a crazy idea.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

And in fact, you hit upon one of the key distinctions in the field of research that I started out in, which is vocal learning research.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

Most vertebrate species vocalize, but most of them are producing innate sounds that they're born with.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

That is babies crying, for example, or dogs barking.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

And only a few species have learned vocal communication, the ability to imitate sounds.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: The Neuroscience of Speech, Language & Music | Dr. Erich Jarvis

And that is what makes spoken language special.