Dr. Holden Thorp

But I think as we've seen throughout this administration,

We have an activist OMB that has its own agenda.

Well, I think two things.

One is the administration has made a lot of statements about what it views as meritorious science, particularly in the realm of whether it has been reproduced or not and

whether it can be reproduced.

And there, the scientific community bears a little bit of the burden for allowing this to happen, because there have been some high-profile incidents of papers that went wrong, and that's made it easy to cast doubt on a lot more science than just the few incidents where this happens.

But I think the other part they're talking about is the president's

priorities as it relates to, for example, social science and studying things like climate change and vaccines that are politically charged and the idea that the administration ought to have influence over whether those things are done or not.

And I think one of the things people aren't looking at with this, if you're a fan of President Trump doing that right now, is that these regulations would be in place.

And if history is any guide, one day the administration will switch hands.

And when it does, I can't imagine that a Democratic administration would change.

overturn these regulations because who wouldn't want this kind of power?

And so this is going to cause, at the very least, a whiplash effect.

And much more than that, if you're a fan in one direction or the other of how this is implemented, you know, that's going to be frequently undone.

Yeah, I think that's the biggest worry that all of us have.

I mean, you have several things going on here.

One is the administration has made it much harder for people from outside the United States to come here to study.

And the thing that has probably more than anything else made the U.S.

a scientific power is that we've always welcomed the best talent from anywhere in the world, whether it's here in the U.S.

or elsewhere, to drive our scientific effort forward.