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Dr. Howard Schubiner

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Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

All these things are seen in healthy, normal people. So why would we make the assumption that that's the cause of the pain when that is something that also occurs in healthy people with no problem? If you had face pain and the doctor said it's because you're gray, you would laugh. It was ridiculous. But that's exactly what we're doing to people. And so we are very well aware of this.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

All these things are seen in healthy, normal people. So why would we make the assumption that that's the cause of the pain when that is something that also occurs in healthy people with no problem? If you had face pain and the doctor said it's because you're gray, you would laugh. It was ridiculous. But that's exactly what we're doing to people. And so we are very well aware of this.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

And radiologists need to change. They need to stop reporting these things as being abnormal as opposed to reporting these things as being part of the normal range of what we expect to see. But in any case, we have developed a second level criteria in back pain and other pains to determine if the pain is actually caused by the brain or the pain is caused by the body.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

And radiologists need to change. They need to stop reporting these things as being abnormal as opposed to reporting these things as being part of the normal range of what we expect to see. But in any case, we have developed a second level criteria in back pain and other pains to determine if the pain is actually caused by the brain or the pain is caused by the body.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

And radiologists need to change. They need to stop reporting these things as being abnormal as opposed to reporting these things as being part of the normal range of what we expect to see. But in any case, we have developed a second level criteria in back pain and other pains to determine if the pain is actually caused by the brain or the pain is caused by the body.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

And that's what we used in a recent research study we just published that showed that 88% Of the 222 people that we evaluated who had chronic neck and back pain, had non-structural pain, 88%. That's a huge number. And obviously, if you have chronic back pain or any back pain and go to a doctor and you get an MRI, 90 plus percent, they're going to tell you it's structural.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

And that's what we used in a recent research study we just published that showed that 88% Of the 222 people that we evaluated who had chronic neck and back pain, had non-structural pain, 88%. That's a huge number. And obviously, if you have chronic back pain or any back pain and go to a doctor and you get an MRI, 90 plus percent, they're going to tell you it's structural.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

And that's what we used in a recent research study we just published that showed that 88% Of the 222 people that we evaluated who had chronic neck and back pain, had non-structural pain, 88%. That's a huge number. And obviously, if you have chronic back pain or any back pain and go to a doctor and you get an MRI, 90 plus percent, they're going to tell you it's structural.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

But it turns out it's actually the opposite. Almost 90% is non-structural because we have developed criteria to look very carefully at the pain to try to figure out what it really is. And we just published that paper in the last month or so. And so we're excited to have it out there so people can argue about it and fight about it or believe it or tear it up or do whatever they want to.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

But it turns out it's actually the opposite. Almost 90% is non-structural because we have developed criteria to look very carefully at the pain to try to figure out what it really is. And we just published that paper in the last month or so. And so we're excited to have it out there so people can argue about it and fight about it or believe it or tear it up or do whatever they want to.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

But it turns out it's actually the opposite. Almost 90% is non-structural because we have developed criteria to look very carefully at the pain to try to figure out what it really is. And we just published that paper in the last month or so. And so we're excited to have it out there so people can argue about it and fight about it or believe it or tear it up or do whatever they want to.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

But it's there and the criteria are there too.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

But it's there and the criteria are there too.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

But it's there and the criteria are there too.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

Right, right. So the brain has a danger signal. When you're driving on the highway, your danger signal is on, full blast, ready at any moment. If a car swerves towards you, quick, jump, turn the wheel. If you're walking down the street, somebody walks behind you, all of a sudden, boom, your danger signal jumps up and you have a reaction to that.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

Right, right. So the brain has a danger signal. When you're driving on the highway, your danger signal is on, full blast, ready at any moment. If a car swerves towards you, quick, jump, turn the wheel. If you're walking down the street, somebody walks behind you, all of a sudden, boom, your danger signal jumps up and you have a reaction to that.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

Right, right. So the brain has a danger signal. When you're driving on the highway, your danger signal is on, full blast, ready at any moment. If a car swerves towards you, quick, jump, turn the wheel. If you're walking down the street, somebody walks behind you, all of a sudden, boom, your danger signal jumps up and you have a reaction to that.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

And our brain's danger signal is there to protect us, and pain is there to protect us. If you break an ankle, your danger signal will turn on to cause pain until you stop walking on that broken ankle. If so, it's a message, it's an alarm, it's a protective device. It's like a smoke alarm in that sense, right? And the smoke alarm is just alerting us to an underlying problem.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

And our brain's danger signal is there to protect us, and pain is there to protect us. If you break an ankle, your danger signal will turn on to cause pain until you stop walking on that broken ankle. If so, it's a message, it's an alarm, it's a protective device. It's like a smoke alarm in that sense, right? And the smoke alarm is just alerting us to an underlying problem.

Dhru Purohit Show
What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On

And our brain's danger signal is there to protect us, and pain is there to protect us. If you break an ankle, your danger signal will turn on to cause pain until you stop walking on that broken ankle. If so, it's a message, it's an alarm, it's a protective device. It's like a smoke alarm in that sense, right? And the smoke alarm is just alerting us to an underlying problem.