Dr. James Fitzsimmons

Um, and you know, we, you get these experiences with, with, with, with looting and it's not just cartels.

It's like everybody, as I said, people, I don't blame looters.

Like people really want to feed their families.

And if you, if you're working for, you know, if you have work study work for six months out of a year and you need to feed your family, you'll do whatever and people will do whatever.

So I don't blame them at all.

Um,

I blame sort of, you know, people who are sort of, you know, the middlemen and such, the folks that are like selling these things to art houses, the folks that are like laundering this stuff, because this stuff gets laundered.

It's like money laundering.

This stuff gets laundered.

I blame them, right?

But I've been in situations, like there was this one time where I was in this village and this ice cream truck rolls up, like the da-da-da-da, you know, like the, rolls up.

And they find out that I'm an archaeologist and the guy's like, he's like, you want to come back?

He's like, he opens up the back of his ice cream truck and there's a, there's a stela back there.

This piece of steel back there.

And he's like, you want to see, you want to see it?

You want to see it?

And I'm like, um, not really, not really.

Like, uh, like I, you know, I'm like, uh, this is like gonna like, I don't know, like I prefer not to die.

Like I don't know.

I don't know.