Dr. James Fitzsimmons

And so, um, when you, it would have been an impressive site.

You go to, you see these folks on top of these like glitter buildings, like

Doing amazing things.

It's an amazing thing.

So there's a National Geographic image of, it's a site called El Mirador.

And it's a reconstruction painting, basically.

It has a ruler sort of on the drawing.

And it...

it has like all this, all this pavement.

Um, that would probably be a good, a good thing to sort of, to sort of go off here, but let's just say that it's, it's, you know, it's, it's the amount of pavement that they're doing, uh, in a lot of these places, they're chopping, they're chopping, not everything, but a lot of the jungle.

You know, I, I tell my students sometimes that the jungle is trying to kill me and, uh, it is.

It really is.

And you watch these nature shows and these nature shows, these nature show guys are like, Oh, like jungle source of life.

Like look at all this water I can get like a chop stuff, whatever, you know?

Um, and, uh, well, we can go to, we can just go to El Mirador.

Look at El Mirador.

It'll be there.

Um, uh, and, um,

Yeah.

So that place, we see all this forest now.