Dr. James Fitzsimmons

For some reason in my mind, she was a chain smoker, right?

She worked, she was at Carnegie and then she was at Harvard, a chain smoker.

She's the person who's responsible for deciphering that there wasn't just calendrical stuff.

Yeah, there wasn't just calendrical stuff in inscriptions, but there was actually history written there.

So we owe that to her.

Like the idea of like, oh, that there's history written there, that's her, right?

Um, and so you have all these waves of discovery.

And so there was a wave of discovery in like the eighties.

Um, I was part of the wave in the nineties.

That's right.

So it's like straight up nineties, like straight out of the nineties.

Like I, so I was part of that wave in the nineties, um, and I've been doing it ever since.

Um, it was my first love.

Like if you had to think picture, like, like what's my first love and for the Maya stuff, it was, it was glyphs.

It always was.

OK, yeah, sure.

So looking at these things,

what they did was they found really, they found real world examples of these on, on, on, on monuments, on sculptures and things.

And they basically said, okay, well, if that, if that's like, see that car, see the thing that looks like a comb there.

So like the, the off to the, let's see, one, two, three, four, five, six, the sixth one, six, one off.