Dr. James Fitzsimmons

And it's, you know, I'm drinking coffee right now, right?

People fought over this stuff.

And while you might not think of people fighting over chocolate per se, people will fight over caffeine just fine, right?

And if it's the only source of caffeine, which it was the only source of caffeine in the area,

Um, people definitely fought over it.

Uh, it was, it was a precious resource.

It's like, you know, there's no, there's no coffee and there's no tea in the Americas, but there is, there is chocolate.

Um, I don't know.

I mean, I imagine it would make you buzz.

Um, you're just drinking the raw, I mean, you're just drinking the like ground up beans, right?

You're just drinking coffee, you know, uh, chocolate beans.

Um, yeah.

In terms of psychoactive stuff, though, and weirdly enough, I was actually getting into this in my class.

So I'm teaching this class called Sorcery in Mesoamerica.

And this class, the other day, we were talking about psychoactive properties and things.

The main psychoactive things were not actually coffee or...

or anything like, I'm sorry, or chocolate or anything like that.

It was actually mushrooms.

So they're doing, they were mushrooms and probably tobacco.

And I know you don't think of tobacco as having like major psychoactive properties, but as anyone who's ever sort of smoked a cigar and smoked it wrong has ever, you know, it will tell you, no, that'll knock you out.