Dr. Janice Stein

It's risky.

But if you heard the Europeans...

The thought of leaving, of abandoning the principle of freedom of navigation, which Britain fought for and the United States fought for for 200 years and more, was so offensive that I think, and I'm sure the press was hearing from them, there was little choice.

You know, I think it does, Peter.

We just talked about the role of Michael Gnatchev's play, right, at times of crisis.

I think when the leader of the Catholic Church speaks out in this very direct way, and America, the first American Pope, and speaks out, the Catholic population,

of this world is large and listens.

And I think a voice that speaks, a voice that speaks with a conscience about what is not acceptable matters.

I can only say this.

In the 1930s, when there were dark times, the popes did not speak out.

And they didn't speak out about the Holocaust when that began, even though they had information that it was happening.

And the church has struggled with that for years and years and years.

To deal with that legacy, Ms.

Paul is turning the page.

Yes, he does.

And, you know, again, who's the face of America, Peter?

Is it Donald Trump or is it Pope Leo?