Dr. Janice Stein

And our own chief of the defense staff, Jenny Carignan, with her team.

And there were, you know...

I think it's fair to say there was an overwhelming mood of, frankly, fury about the fact that the straights had been blockaded like this and that the Trump administration had not planned for this and not taken seriously.

They were shaking their heads, all of them.

They literally were up and down.

And, you know, you had...

You know, you had members of the House of Lords there, long-time sophisticated people who ran the world from their perspective.

You know that kind of conversation, Peter.

You've had them, I'm sure.

And they're just appalled at how inept Donald Trump is.

But backing that up is the feeling that they're done with Trump.

that the comments he made about their own prime minister, the comments he made about NATO being cowards, they were done, that they are no longer going to try to flatter, to get along.

They are very critical of the Secretary General of NATO.

for being as polite as he was when he went to see Trump.

And they're digging in for really two things, two and a half more years of this.

And the conversation about rearming, it was an early go on that.

They are doubling down on this.

And their view is there is no choice.

There is a five-year runway to get this done, and they're doubling down.

Not a word.