Dr. Janice Stein

And we have a long way to go and a tough road, given the order of magnitude spend that we're going to have to spend, Peter, to become credible in any way.

And we live next door to the United States.

So it's not us.

So we only have two places to go here.

The free world leader list?

And way too many years.

And, you know, that's why I know we're going to come to this later, but that's what would happen in Hungary.

We'll be so encouraging to so many Europeans.

Because this is, that was, we'll come to that, but that was the first defeat of a serious right wing.

ultra-right-wing politician.

So waiting may not be that bad a strategy.

But that's exactly what, just for the record, that's what Prime Minister Carney told us not to do.

No wishful thinking, no waiting around, no fairy tales about believing that we're going back, that we can restore things.

That is, and I agree with him, that world is not coming back.

It's a huge story.

And if you hear some relief in my voice and a tinge of celebration, it's there.

It's a huge, huge story.

You know, Victor Orbán,

fashioned the right-wing populist movement with its really dark tones of anti-immigrant feeling that swept through Europe.

You know, I don't want to put a label on it, but frankly, it has its really ugly qualities to it.