Dr. Jason Kim

We have procedures, some done in the office, some done in the ambulatory surgery center.

And I think that gave patients hope.

We introduced the concept of this early on, and I still do this at the first visit for them.

And we also found that our follow-up rates went up.

much higher.

Because I think patients understood that there was more.

I regularly say, if this doesn't work, do not lose hope.

We have other things we can do.

Right, right.

I think it's important.

I mean, I think we should be offering more therapies.

I mean, still, even in robust practices, I think there's been publications from Cleveland Clinic, Virginia Mason, from Stony Brook.

And, you know, we're all offering this all the time.

And I think we're still getting between only 15 and 20% of the overactive bladder patients to procedural intervention.

And this is kind of shocking considering how many patients have overactive bladder.

Yeah, sure.

Right now, so ITNS is a new category procedure, and Medicare has recognized that, and CMS has assigned a Category 3 CPT code.

So for those who aren't familiar with Category 3 CPT codes, they're a little different.

All the codes we use for established procedures are CPT-1 codes.

CPT-3 means it's a new category procedure.