Dr. Jen Gunter

And that's, you know, that's great for academics and you have to meet people where they are.

And so I just started being more authentic me.

And I think it just sort of gradually kind of took off and I kept at it.

So I think that was also part of it.

And, you know, along the way, then different news sites would come calling and,

you know there was a time where you know i had had a couple columns for the new york times i've floated in and out of other sort of like you know print media which obviously helps with your you know your audience but i've just kind of stayed true to writing about what interests me are you comfortable talking about what was that misinformation land or direction that you got pushed into

Oh, sure, yeah.

I mean, I think that it's, you know, as I would say the old saying is that obstetricians have the worst pregnancies.

I'm sure cardiac surgeons feel they have the worst, you know what I mean?

Yeah, exactly, right?

So I was pregnant with triplets, and you just heard me say that I have two kids.

And so I delivered extremely prematurely at 22 and a half weeks, and my first son died at birth.

We elected not to resuscitate him.

And then I managed to stay pregnant for another three and a half weeks, which was, yeah.

And so I had an interval delivery at 26 weeks.

And to sort of just really point out about how important it is to be honest with patients, you know, there were no obviously randomized, double-blinded trials to say what you should do.

So my doctors were very honest with me.

Hey, we called all the experts in the country and asked for a consensus.

And do you want to do this consensus or do you want to do something else?

That is super important to be honest about the quality of the information you have when you're giving to people versus we have this great quality data and you should do this.