Dr Jenna Macciochi

And I think partly that's why we have to think about chronic diseases a little bit differently, because these are now the biggest causes of poor health in the UK.

Whereas perhaps a few generations ago, it would have been infections that would have truncated life.

And we know that things like heart disease, one of the biggest killers globally, actually starts much, much earlier in life.

Like those changes, those tiny, tiny changes that are happening in the arteries.

And we can like think like preventatively instead of waiting until our doctor tells us there's something up with their blood pressure.

And I think that there's a human mindset shift.

We're still living like our evolutionary past where you might die tomorrow because it's like, you know, there's lots of dangers around.

But we actually have a good chance of living quite long.

Yeah, I think the way you put it, the human condition is quite interesting, isn't it?

Because we're like, oh no, now we need to live much longer.

But no, wait, we're not enjoying the time we have.

And so, as I mentioned, in the UK, roughly, depending on where you live and whether you're male or female,

The lifespan is around 80, but the actual health span, so that's years lived in good health, is 60.

So that's a 20-year delta.

And that for me was like a massive wake-up call when I got to my early 40s.

I was like, shit, this is...

this could be half over already.

It's not the prelude anymore.

Like sometimes we live like this is the warmup and then life will start.

And it's kind of like, no, wait a minute, this is it, you know?