Dr. Jennifer Groh

Once the delays get pretty long, then you do start to hear it as a whole separate sound.

Not even almost like an echo, but actually an echo.

Yeah, maybe that's why some of the older genres of music

can be a little slower.

Yeah, longer sustained notes because you don't want to have too many transitions from one note to the next.

Gregorian chant is a wonderful example, really kind of long, slow, sustained, many different voices blending together versus a much faster like Mozart minuet or something like that.

Like those notes would just jumble together with the kind of delay that we're talking about.

Right.

I know, which is one of the most wonderful things.

No, I do think that would be helpful.

So we should start by telling people, you can't have that taste.

Well, or there should be a new one, right?

We have some advantages in science that we have a comfort with...

with argumentation, you know, with disagreeing about things, but agreeing fundamentally that we're going to go where the facts lead us.

Do you know what I mean?

So the disagreement is about what the facts are, but we agree that if we can come to agreement about facts, then we can proceed from there.

But there's a feeling that I have come to appreciate maybe isn't present in other domains, other kind of...

you know, academic domains or areas of the occupations that people have that, you know, may be a little different from what we have in science.

You know, and I don't want to make science seem all perfect in all regards, but I think there's a sense of like,

We may not want to hear that I think you're wrong, but we know that, you know, those kinds of things have to be said, that you're going to have to defend your work in a peer review.