Dr. Jennifer Reich

And that isn't helping our sense of trust, I think, at the moment.

So that's going to be an ongoing battle.

The good news is, I think, where we started, which is that communities are also local, right?

Right.

And that networks are local so people can get together and do great things.

And we've seen examples of communities that had a very low vaccine rates that got together, that listened to people's concerns and turned the tides in their community to make sure all the children in their communities were safe.

What we know is people swooping in from outside and telling us how to live our lives is not persuasive.

And so we really need those kinds of local voices, local leaders who understand our experiences.

And there's the opportunity, I think, to start then building those networks and then building them outwards so they can grow.

We share information and we have to just start talking to people we don't already know more and having conversations to start really rebuilding a lot of the things that became fractured when we were all apart.

It's hard, right?

We're all tired.

Everyone's under a lot of stress.

We have good evidence that health care interactions, for example, have gotten shorter and shorter over time.

So there's less time to really have those conversations and listen.

So there's absolutely structural barriers for our ability to do this.

I think for healthcare providers in particular, and I'd say pediatrics has its own unique stressors right now as a profession, including workforce shortages.

It's really hard to say, I know it took you four months to get an appointment.

I know it's taken a long time to get here.

And I really want this for you and have families then feel frustrated to come in uncertain to know how to manage those expectations, right?