Dr. Jigar Patel

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Health Chatter · AI in Healthcare · 15 Dec 2023 podcast

So there's implications from a public health treatment perspective also on that.

Yeah, I don't have any numbers for it, Clarence, I'll be honest with you, but- Stack AI. They don't give me the answer. I got to open that up.

I mean, it- it probably correlates to Moore's law, which is computing power will increase, will double every two years or every year or something. I don't remember the exact, but the capability of computing to accelerate and get faster and more performant, AI is going to have a similar kind of hockey stick to that Moore's law in that the computing is going to push it in that direction. Now,

I think if we look back, the awareness of it is we're at a hockey stick moment, right? And that was with ChatGPT, I think 3.54, and really the acknowledgement that this thing does amazing things. More so than, say, Watson in the past or others in the past, right? So the awareness is at an inflection point, and I think the awareness will continue to be a growth that's very, very fast.

Now, the use, I think, will also accelerate. I think big companies such as my own and others are, how do I put it, everywhere, right? It is the surfacing to humans is going to get accelerated. And I think the goal from embedding it in computer systems and human interactions is that we can potentially, as human race, we've always talked about how do we be more productive?

And that productivity continues to increase, and AI can only help there as well. Now, that has implications around people losing jobs and all that, but that's happened throughout history with various technologies. And computers and AI is just the latest example as well. We forget, not necessarily forget, but we don't have to do certain things because we have this new technology. Car is an example.

We don't have to walk now, right? We can bike. Those things have accelerated our productivity and getting from one place to another, making the world smaller as an example of how this could change us going forward as well. So the timescales of things are going to be very different. I don't have good statistics to support any of that, but it feels like it's accelerating at a breakneck pace.

We have to be increasingly skeptical of everything in one way or another in my viewpoint of the world, right? Any technology will be used for

ill and ill begotten means to crime and scams and those sorts of things yeah um it's that's been true of every technology since the beginning of time also right someone will use it for something that is not what you know societally accepted um in a way that that is going to be there so it will accelerate also it'll become a more dangerous isn't the right word but it'll be a more um

We'll have to tread more carefully in all of our interactions to really get to that. I mean, even today, I don't answer phone calls if it's not in my contacts because it's generated by some technology. It was pushed to some human to give me a call or a robot or something to have an interaction. And so I'm skeptical of any phone call I get any increasingly texts as well.

You know, things there slowly but surely people are creeping into all those things. Social media, it's everywhere and it will only accelerate in that way. You know, one of the frightening things from a computer security perspective is. AI can write code and it can be trying to write malicious code, right? That's going to accelerate too. So it's going to be this constant arms race.

If we think about cybersecurity of AI protecting and then harming in a way that's going to be interesting to see how it evolves over time too. So it's this... It is, it's an arms race is the best way to describe it, right? The good forces of good and evil. That sounds like a superhero movie, right? That are going to be in constant conflict going forward. So let me ask this in the news.

Oh, wow. I have to land mine. I don't think I'm going to step on it. But I'm going to step on it anyway. Carefully. It inevitably will have political implications, right? But it goes back to that social media thing too, right? And then your belief or disbelief that the government is here to help. Yeah. But I do fundamentally believe and I did some travel this week.

And before I traveled, I filled up my car. And the one thing that struck me filling up my car was the little badge on the thing that says this was assessed for accuracy. You pick up a box of crackers, there's a nutrition facts on the side. People are like, why don't we have nutrition facts for AI or computers or things like that? Those are all government mandated things.

Now, so many of them have been faded away into, I forgot the government did that. But that sort of thing is omnipresent in our lives, right? EHRs in their way, from an informatics perspective, have become... the arm, the long arm of the government, into clinical practice, right? Because in the United States, 50% of payment for health care is still from the government.

So they have an overweighted interest in this from a budget perspective, right? So it is, government will have its hands in it for various, various reasons, for good, for financial, fiduciary responsibility, for business, all of those things and you will fall on different, different sides of the spectrum of that.

Let, let's all be Liberty and free or let's all lock it down. Um, and that's true all over the world. You know, one thing I've had the pleasure of having in my career is seeing how various societies think very differently about healthcare. Um, we're, uh, in the most recent one that is, is very interesting from an EU perspective is that, um,

Sweden has very, very, very restrictive privacy laws on health care data. And that example, in bringing it to the United States, you can learn from and you can learn in both directions, good and bad. One of the things that in the United States or the way I think about health care is I see a psychiatrist. That can affect their medical health, and I should know about that and vice versa.

But in countries like Sweden, and I don't know the details, but a patient could say, I don't want my medical provider to see my psychiatrist stuff. So as a provider, I could say, wait a minute, you've unintentionally harmed your own care. for the sake of privacy. That's mandated by law, which is political. So those sorts of things, it's inevitable.

And there has to be, there will be a great debate on the less or more, as has always happened with politics, laws, and the societal approach to privacy. being monitored or not monitored.

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