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Dr. Joel Warsh

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The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

Because we don't know. Anybody that says the science is settled on long-term issues How can you say that? Where is the research for that? Who is following kids for five or 10 years? How do we have any idea? I mean, you talked about VAERS before, that adverse reporting that we have, but that's personal report. You do it, the company does it, the doctor does it if they decide to do it.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

But you have to associate the issue with a vaccine. If you get hepatitis B vaccine today and you get some sort of cancer 10 years from now, you're not going to be thinking, oh, well, my kid probably got cancer because of the vaccine they got when they were two months old. So let me go report that to VAERS. There's no way to see those things unless you follow kids prospectively.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

But you have to associate the issue with a vaccine. If you get hepatitis B vaccine today and you get some sort of cancer 10 years from now, you're not going to be thinking, oh, well, my kid probably got cancer because of the vaccine they got when they were two months old. So let me go report that to VAERS. There's no way to see those things unless you follow kids prospectively.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

But you have to associate the issue with a vaccine. If you get hepatitis B vaccine today and you get some sort of cancer 10 years from now, you're not going to be thinking, oh, well, my kid probably got cancer because of the vaccine they got when they were two months old. So let me go report that to VAERS. There's no way to see those things unless you follow kids prospectively.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

You follow them for 10 or 15 or 20 years and you say, hey, how come the kids that are getting more vaccines have more of this kind of cancer? How come those kids have more asthma or allergies? You don't know that unless you follow it prospectively. People can do research on that topic, but nobody wants to do research on vaccines. You have to follow people for a long time.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

You follow them for 10 or 15 or 20 years and you say, hey, how come the kids that are getting more vaccines have more of this kind of cancer? How come those kids have more asthma or allergies? You don't know that unless you follow it prospectively. People can do research on that topic, but nobody wants to do research on vaccines. You have to follow people for a long time.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

You follow them for 10 or 15 or 20 years and you say, hey, how come the kids that are getting more vaccines have more of this kind of cancer? How come those kids have more asthma or allergies? You don't know that unless you follow it prospectively. People can do research on that topic, but nobody wants to do research on vaccines. You have to follow people for a long time.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

And you'd have to have that association in mind beforehand and have 10 years of time to follow those kids. It hasn't been done, but we could do it. We could do something like the framing hand study. We can start following kids for 10 or 15 years. Yes, the ethics are difficult around it, but you can certainly have people self-select which group they're going to be in.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

And you'd have to have that association in mind beforehand and have 10 years of time to follow those kids. It hasn't been done, but we could do it. We could do something like the framing hand study. We can start following kids for 10 or 15 years. Yes, the ethics are difficult around it, but you can certainly have people self-select which group they're going to be in.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

And you'd have to have that association in mind beforehand and have 10 years of time to follow those kids. It hasn't been done, but we could do it. We could do something like the framing hand study. We can start following kids for 10 or 15 years. Yes, the ethics are difficult around it, but you can certainly have people self-select which group they're going to be in.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

There are plenty of people that are going to choose not to vaccinate. It's not going to be the perfect study because there's going to be some bias there, but at least you can get some good information. Wouldn't it be really useful to know 10 years from now that the kids that live an unvaccinated lifestyle have a lower rate of asthma than the kids that get vaccines? And then you can say, okay, why?

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

There are plenty of people that are going to choose not to vaccinate. It's not going to be the perfect study because there's going to be some bias there, but at least you can get some good information. Wouldn't it be really useful to know 10 years from now that the kids that live an unvaccinated lifestyle have a lower rate of asthma than the kids that get vaccines? And then you can say, okay, why?

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

There are plenty of people that are going to choose not to vaccinate. It's not going to be the perfect study because there's going to be some bias there, but at least you can get some good information. Wouldn't it be really useful to know 10 years from now that the kids that live an unvaccinated lifestyle have a lower rate of asthma than the kids that get vaccines? And then you can say, okay, why?

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

Whatever comes up. All the A's. Then you say, well, why? Why do the kids that are living an unvaccinated lifestyle have a lower risk of autoimmune disease? Is it the food that they're eating? What is it about their lifestyle that's different? There's nothing wrong with that. That would be super useful information.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

Whatever comes up. All the A's. Then you say, well, why? Why do the kids that are living an unvaccinated lifestyle have a lower risk of autoimmune disease? Is it the food that they're eating? What is it about their lifestyle that's different? There's nothing wrong with that. That would be super useful information.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

Whatever comes up. All the A's. Then you say, well, why? Why do the kids that are living an unvaccinated lifestyle have a lower risk of autoimmune disease? Is it the food that they're eating? What is it about their lifestyle that's different? There's nothing wrong with that. That would be super useful information.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

And if we found that there are no differences, that is the information that parents want that will make them be more confident to get vaccines. That's what they want. And if we have that research and we show those things, then you're going to improve confidence in the vaccine program. And if you do find problems, you're going to improve the confidence because you're going to fix those problems.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

And if we found that there are no differences, that is the information that parents want that will make them be more confident to get vaccines. That's what they want. And if we have that research and we show those things, then you're going to improve confidence in the vaccine program. And if you do find problems, you're going to improve the confidence because you're going to fix those problems.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

And if we found that there are no differences, that is the information that parents want that will make them be more confident to get vaccines. That's what they want. And if we have that research and we show those things, then you're going to improve confidence in the vaccine program. And if you do find problems, you're going to improve the confidence because you're going to fix those problems.

The Dr. Hyman Show
Why Vaccine Safety Is So Hard to Talk About — with Dr. Joel Warsh

It doesn't make any sense. You never say that in science. You're always looking forward. And the science is definitely not settled on any of these topics. I mean, there's no way that you could say that going through it at this point. I have no reason to say anything other than I'm not against vaccines. But there are so many aspects of the science that it's just not settled on.