Dr. John Bergsma

That's a promise that Jesus gave to the apostles.

So the successors of the apostles

in the late 300s sat down at various councils and said, let's clean this up and establish clearly for everybody what has been handed down.

And that's where we get our list of biblical books.

So that's very important.

If you don't believe in tradition, if you don't have respect for tradition, then you end up in the untenable position of having a fallible list of infallible books, a list that could be wrong of books that can't be wrong.

And that's a self-contradiction.

Yeah.

A fallible list of infallible books.

A list that could be wrong of books that can't be wrong.

Wow.

Yeah.

Right.

So...

And I came to realize this myself, Matt, that if I gave up on tradition, then I end up giving up on the basis of the list of scriptural books and so many other ways as well that I could illustrate.

So honoring tradition really ends up also honoring the scriptures.

They are mutually self-supporting.

I could illustrate that from so many personal anecdotes in my own life, but I'll just throw that out there.

Yeah.

You know, if you want to pursue it or if you want to go on to the next question.