Dr. John Bergsma

Yeah.

So I guess- And certainly that, yeah, the early councils, Nicaea and Constantinople and Chalcedon, we are becoming increasingly clear about how to speak about Jesus and the other persons of the Trinity.

We know that somehow mysteriously they're one and somehow mysteriously they're different.

And say, okay, what we wanna say is we wanna use the word nature or essence to describe their oneness.

We want to use the term person to describe their difference.

So they are one what and three who's.

That wasn't believed.

Yeah.

Well, even within Protestantism, I experienced this because we had a big fracas about women's ordination in the denomination that I was in.

And some of the proponents of ordaining women as pastors came forward and said, oh, there's nothing in our creeds that forbids it.

And that's true, Matt.

It had never been practiced.

It had never been an issue.

So it had never been addressed.

Nobody proposed it, right.

And, you know, so you would not, you can't draw the conclusion that because the Reformed creeds and confessions never addressed the issue of women's ordination that it was practiced from the beginning of Calvinism.

Actually, traditional Calvinism never had female clergy, okay?

And they didn't put it into the statements because nobody was advancing it.

When it did start getting advanced, like in the 1970s and the 1980s and so on, then you get some conservative Calvinist denominations making rulings against it and saying, no, it's a male-only clergy.

But