Dr. John Bergsma
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And the whole time that he's talking about the primacy of Scripture and Scripture's authority, I'm saying to myself, yes and amen, but who gets to interpret?
Who gets to interpret?
Who gets to interpret?
Because if you're going to say that the church can err, which is what Gavin says is the central teaching of sola scriptura, then who makes the judgment that the church has erred?
That's right.
He did.
No, no.
He comes back to the central idea of Sola Scriptura is that the church can err.
And the church, therefore the church is judged by the scriptures is the idea.
Okay.
But the problem there is who makes the judgment that the church has aired?
The scripture.
Well, no, it's you, because you're interpreting the scripture.
Right.
Okay, because the question is, the substance of the question is what do the scriptures mean?
And the church interprets the scriptures this way, and you say, the church has got it wrong.
On what basis?
On the basis of your private interpretation.
No, the church has the authority to interpret the word of God.
1 Peter 1.20, excuse me, 2 Peter 1.20 says,