Dr. John Delatorre

Exactly.

And I think that's a key element here because when individuals are engaging in this non-consensual, consensual sex act, you're not going to really involve weapons because that's too far of a kink to do on a very first time.

There's a level of trust that has to go into the two partners that are participating in this.

So it's not like you're just going to show up out of nowhere.

So he had to be convinced.

Ryan needed to be convinced that this was an element of the, of the act that Christine absolutely wanted to never have met with him before.

And that's a pretty, that's,

That's not something that is fairly consistent within the kink community.

So there must have been more communications going on than what we really know that Christine would have been involved in had she just been doing this by herself.

Other people had to be participating.

Well, I think we have to remember is that in their mind, they think that once all of this unfolds, they're gonna live a happy life with this four-year-old.

But when reality set and the realities of being in custody, being detained, that messes with your head, that gets under your skin.

You don't realize how small the walls are until you're actually put in them.

So whatever it was that they thought that they were gonna be doing as a couple post this murder,

She didn't realize the reality of you're not going to get away with this.

And so now she's put in a place where the reality is setting in.

And she did not think that all of this was actually going to be unfolding for someone like her.

Absolutely.

And it's not like Juliana cares.