Dr John Izzo

listening to John's podcast way back in, I think it was April.

Yes, 21st of April, Redesigning Democracy, Future Generations at the Table on the WayForward Regenerative podcast.

And that was recorded, I'm assuming, a while before it came out.

And we were in the early days of, what are we going to call it?

Let's just call it the Trump presidency because that saves us being bleeped out for anything.

And now we're nearly a year into...

into the march of authoritarianism, which in some ways has gone a lot faster than I think any of us feared, but in other ways has found itself bogged down more deeply than any of us hoped, I think.

And certainly looking from the outside, we are seeing uprisings of resistance that are so full of courage and creativity and so heartening to watch.

So I would like to ask both of you, starting with Suzette,

If you are able to construct a route forward to a democracy that actually works,

What is the best that you could imagine and how would we get there?

Suzette, we'll ask John the same in a bit.

It doesn't matter what we call it.

The reality is the fear.

Yeah.

In real time.

Yeah.

Okay.

I'll stop there.

That's a whole podcast just there, Suzette.