Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

And he's an ornery bastard, you know.

And he's tough as a boot.

And you don't mess with him lightly.

And he's disagreeable enough to cut you into pieces like Englishmen can at the drop of a hat.

But, you know, I think fundamentally...

He's a genuine scientist, and that's a difficult thing to be.

And you have to be a dedicated pursuer of the truth to be a scientist.

And there's a certain moral element to that, a profound moral element to that.

And I tried to get Dawkins to talk to me a number of times, and he put me off.

you know, in various ways for a while.

But then one day he wrote me and he said, I don't know what the hell, I can never understand what you're talking about, Peterson, but I don't know why you want to talk to me and I don't think I'd have the patience for it anyways, but I kind of think maybe you're interested in this.

And so he sent me a paper and I thought, you son of a bitch, you know exactly why I want to talk to you.

And so it was a paper I actually knew about from about 30 years previously and he made a very interesting claim in that paper.

He said that

Every biological organism is a microcosm of its environment, by necessity, like a model, like a low-resolution representation of its environment.

And here's what he meant by that.

So he said, imagine you were an alien.

Scientists like to imagine such things.

They don't believe in angels or demons, but aliens, man.

Those things are there for sure.