Dr. Keith Humphreys

I mean, there has to be some, just like we've built a lot of norms around alcohol, we've built norms, you know, don't drink and drive, that's one that most people now broadly find believable.

Building some about social media I think is going to be sort of the task of this generation that has grown up with them.

That's great.

And the point you make too about there's so many pathways out of this, you see that everywhere, many, many pathways to recovery.

I know people who, like a dear friend of mine, just tried to quit smoking for years and years and years and felt totally defeated by it until he saw his baby, as soon as he was a father, he's just like, man, I got to stay around for this beautiful being and quit that day.

You know, there's changes in the sort of homo-racial system because of life changes.

that I have another friend, a dear friend who was going to prison, which is a terrible thing.

You think how would anybody benefit from being in prison?

But he said, I just needed like many, many months off of methamphetamine for my brain to heal.

And I sort of realized, wow, that was really crazy.

And he didn't get any treatment.

It was just being away from the drug for an extended period.

And there's an infinite number of stories like that, because this is a condition experienced by tens of millions of people.

So there's going to be lots and lots of pathways out.

That is one thing, by the way, that surprises a lot of people.

Of people who had a substance problem,

and are now doing well in big representative surveys, very few of them actually went to see anybody like Stanford Psychiatry.

That is an unusual pathway to go through addiction treatment.

People change in all kinds of ways for all kinds of reasons.

Yeah.