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Dr. Kevin Tracey

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Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

I think we're going to help millions of people.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

There's been experience, but to my review of the literature, and I'm speaking to the world's expert on the review of the medical literature, so that makes myself nervous.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

But that being said, my review of the literature, I am unable to find for handheld devices applied to the skin,

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

any evidence that any of them directly stimulate the vagus nerve.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

So as biomedical engineers, we've tried to do it in my lab and we've tried to do it in volunteers and we've worked with biomedical engineers.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

If you put electricity on the skin of a human being or a large animal,

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

The vagus nerve in humans, in the neck where you pointed, is deep in the neck.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

It's wrapped in its own sheath with the carotid artery.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

It's underneath several layers of fascia.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

It's underneath the platysma muscle.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

It's underneath the skin.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

Electrocurrent doesn't travel like a laser beam where you point the thing when you put it on your skin.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

It doesn't work that way.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

And so...

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

It's okay to call things vagus nerve stimulators after they've gone through FDA trials, but it doesn't mean they are vagus nerve stimulators.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

There's one place the vagus nerve sends a branch to the skin, and that is in the cartilage of the external ear called the simpacantia, which is the part of your ear that looks like a seashell around the open ear, simpacantia.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

Now, if you electrically stimulate the Simba concha with some sort of device, a TENS unit or something, then arguably you've stimulated the vagus nerve because you've stimulated the sensory fibers traveling from that cartilage.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

You know why it's there, right?

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

This vagus, it's a vestigial branch of the vagus nerve that used to innervate evolutionarily the cartilaginous gills of fish.

Ground Truths
Vagus Nerve Stimulation and the Immune System

And so it dragged the nerve with it when that cartilage became the cartilage of the external ear.