Dr. Kieran O'Keefe

In a smaller number of cases, it'll be something else, but it'll be something that's identifiable.

a talking animal like a bear or even a dog on its hind legs but talking or playing with the child now that's imaginary friends you don't get those situations where the imaginary friend is completely distorted and unidentifiable

And that's what I think is very, very weird about this.

It's almost like I'm stepping into Evelyn's camp, but I really want to make a point here.

It feels as though we can discount the possibility straight away that we're dealing with an imaginary friend.

Could it be an actual clown?

Oh, yeah, but that's a magic trick.

That doesn't have to be something supernatural for you to be able to do that.

There are magicians all over the world that can do that with larger objects than berries.

Well, he would never do that.

That would be great.

But he could do that with a card.

He could do that with a pack of cards and fool you.

So we've got the potential that we do have some sort of weird clown.

I'll grant you that.

It's a pretty weird clown that they're describing.

But it's quite possible that we are dealing with a clown.

Yeah, I think we've got to consider that there might be some influence there.

I mean, you know, if we take what he says as face value and he didn't influence the children in any way, then it's great.

You know, we've got a really interesting case.