Dr. Kieran O'Keefe

And in my mind, it's the strongest sceptical argument for what they saw.

Evelyn, do you agree?

You know, here he is, a real hardcore sceptic, and suddenly now he's in a scenario where he just cannot explain it.

Yeah, and I'm not surprised.

I'm equally fascinated by them.

But when people think of UFO cases, they think of Area 51 or Roswell.

Here, I think we've got a forgotten case that is equally amazing.

This is the OG of UFO cases, isn't it?

It is, and it almost sets the template for future UFO and potential abduction cases as well.

And for me, it's a case that is rife with human psychology.

Well, they would have been very familiar with UFOs.

There was a proliferation of it in pop culture.

You had B-movies, Plan 9 from Outer Space...

But also a few months before, you've got the space race happening.

Yuri Gagarin was off into space.

Huge moment.

Huge moment in space history.

So they would have been well aware of that.

But also we've got to bear in mind that this is the Cold War era.

This is a time when...