Dr. Layne Norton

What's that?

Like, well, that's what you use to measure.

Well, my gut hurt.

I was blown.

No, no, that is localized inflammation in response to something going on there.

That is not the same thing as the inflammation that raises the risk of heart disease and cancer and that sort of thing.

So what I would say to people is, hey, if you want to eat like a meat based diet, I still don't think it's a great idea, but like you don't have to have like

four ribeyes a day.

You can choose leaner cuts of meat.

You can have fish, you know, and why not work in some fruits and vegetables?

And if you have digestive problems with those, add them in one at a time and see which one doesn't give you digestive distress.

And I think, unfortunately, this becomes so much like a religion for people because

They just – I think a lot of them don't like eating vegetables.

And so it becomes an excuse to not eat vegetables.

We believe what we want to believe.

And again, the asymmetrical application of logic is very interesting to me.

So there's a lot of carnivore advocates out there that say epidemiology is garbage.

In fact, Paul Saladino had a video titled Epidemiology is Garbage.

Like, OK.

And then when he was on another podcast, he was citing epidemiology.