Dr. Layne Norton

there's kind of a dose response between number of hard sets you do and muscular growth.

I mean, we've even seen it like specifically in the triceps.

There was a, there was a regression by James Krieger that even up to like 27 to 45 hard sets per week on triceps produce more muscle growth than I think like 15 to 25 sets per week, something like that.

So now again, I want to couch that with, you're going to get most of the benefit.

If, if,

I am always looking at things like how can I be the most muscular, strongest human being I can.

But for the average person, if you just want to grow some muscle, you don't have to do that many sets.

But the point is it does seem to be kind of a dose response.

Like what's – So – and that's actually where practically I think most people probably should train to failure at a certain point because otherwise it's really hard to determine what failure is.

And actually there are studies on this.

And on average, intermediate and beginner lifters underestimate their repetitions they can achieve by about five to six.

So for example, in a study, they might have them say, like intraset, say on their eighth rep, how many do you think you have left?

Two, okay.

Then the next set, they actually, they yell at them, they blare music, they're like hyping them up and they'll get 15 or they'll get, you know, yeah, 15, 16 reps, right?

And so I think a lot of people, if they've never trained to failure,

they viewed failure as kind of like discomfort.

And in fact, it's funny because I've had people say, well, you, and I'm going to get into this about the strength stuff.

I almost never trained a failure, especially on compounds and say, well, you, I've had people say, you train like a wuss, you know, you, you stop, you know, I'm like, so, okay.

So that, that set of 10 with five 30 that took me out, but honestly took me out for weeks after that, to be honest, you're saying if I stopped two reps short of the 10th rep and,

that that was an easy set.