Dr. Layne Norton

So to me, I had to change my opinion on that.

Now, I think I'm making a little bit of a leap from saturated fat to LDL because there are some forms of saturated fat that don't raise LDL, like stearic acid doesn't appear to raise LDL.

But overall, if you eat more saturated fat, you raise your LDL.

We see this in the carnivore community.

There's people bragging about having LDL levels of 300, 400, 500 milligrams per deciliter.

And it's like, this is going to get people killed.

And I think where there gets to be a conflict here – I'll come back to Cetol.

Sorry, I know I'm kind of going down the rabbit hole.

People might do a carnivore diet, lose 30, 40 pounds –

Their blood glucose regulation gets better.

Their HDL gets better.

But their LDL goes through the roof and they go – The particle number.

Yeah.

And they go, but I'm so much healthier now.

One, you don't feel heart disease until it's knocking on your door.

And two –

You may on balance overall, yes, be healthier than you were before, but you are not as healthy as if you'd gotten all those benefits and also not raised your LDL.

You would be healthier having all those things and also your LDL lower.

So that is, again, we have to be very careful when we talk about independent risk factors.

That's a reverse causality issue, right?