Dr. Louise Newson

Probably not in our lifetime, Liz.

Well, I say that because...

And I sort of teased it out a bit in the book.

There's a lot of corruption in everything.

I sort of sometimes compare it with what's happening with farming and processed foods.

It's become really difficult.

And you know, and you've spoken a lot about how hard it is.

For farmers, if you want to get some fresh, you know, really good quality milk or meat, it's so difficult and it's made so hard and it's very similar with hormones.

So the people that write the guidelines are usually paid by pharmaceutical companies.

And sometimes the guideline development group is really well paid by pharmaceutical companies.

And so that does have an issue with it.

If you look at PMS, for example, and PMDD, their guidelines in the UK are written by the drug company that make the Mirena coil.

Globally, there's involvement with other pharmaceutical companies.

So it makes it really difficult to know if things are really going to change.

One of the excuses people keep giving is there's not enough evidence to

But actually, there's not much evidence that antidepressants work for depression.

No, there really isn't.

Yet they're there on all the guidelines.

Do you know what I mean?

So I think I'm not sure.